Letter in the Dog Press concering Blindness in Gordons

[Carol Gill]

It has come to light that there maybe a problem with our Gordons concerning blindness at 7ys and over the letter was put in the paper by Bonnie Scougal(Shannas) and Yvonne Horrocks (Carek) i am just wondering what happens now? are the 3 Gordon Setter Clubs going to take action and let members know what we are to do? i aim to get my Gordons DNA tested but am unsure where i send the info, i think a certain number of dogs carrying these specific dogs in there pedigree need to be tested before the ball can start rolling, anyone got any further info?

[pedro f. completo/Porto Rio Setter]

Tankyou by your anwser. the dog(Sunsetter Sgt.pepper) died with 7 years old with tumor arond the heart.
i will try find the vet report and i will sent to you.
Uli never recognize the problem and try all the time find other reasons to run away of responsability, and after what she do with the IRWS i offer to her and for other several and personal reasons i'm not trust her from long time.
Anyway ,i'm sure about what the Vets tell me at that time, and theres no problem for me the name of Pepper appear on the list.
also i will do photos of Tiffany(Sunsetter Crime of the Century) and i will put here.
best regards
pedro completo

[Ulrike Agne-Draudsin]

Pedro,

it is very sad that you have to make your personal feelings torwards me public. Your style hasn't changed over the years unfortunately.

When you told me some years ago that Pepper became blind and that your portuguese vet diagnozed PRA it was very hard for me to believe because I had never heard that there is such thing as PRA in the Gordon Setters and you never presented to me a copy of the written veterenary report.

I started to investigate and it seemed to me that nobody in the Gordon Setter world had ever heard of PRA so far. That's why I assumed that Pepper became blind of other reason.

My vet said that dogs can become blind because they had an accident or were hit on the head. Well, the possibility that Pepper had an accident at your place seemed to be very plausibel. I think you were keeping about 40 dogs on about 4000 square metres (declining) at that time.

It only dawned on me that PRA exsists in our breed when I met Wendy one year ago. A Specialist just had diagnozed that her dog Wilbur was suffering from PRA.

It is very stupid of you to say that I never did recognized that there could be a problem because I have discussed the possibility that Pepper might have been an affected dog with all people that are concerned.

It needs a Specialist to diagnose PRA. Was it a Specialist that did the diagnoses?

I have changed all my breeding plans until there is a gentest for PRA available to avoid risky litters. That is as much as I and any other breeder can do at the present time.

I follow the advices of my friend Wendy Smith who has done all the work and holds all the latest information in that matter.

About the fat tumors: Some Gordon Setters have them some don't. They are ugly but not dangerous for the dog's health. So be free to put photos of her in the net but I don't think that you show the Gordon Setters world something new with doing that.

In the end I wonder if Pepper died of a tumor in the heart or if he was just not treated monthly against heartworm so that he died of this disease?!

If you want to know what happended to MY IRWS you are free to ask me but I think we shouldn't bore other people with it.

Ulrike Agne-Draudsin

[Ulrike Agne-Draudsin]

...and maybe I should try to explain to you the function of a forum like this one.

You normally use a forum to exchange information and discuss a problem generally.

You DON'T use it as a platform to attack somebody personally.

Nobody is interested in that, Pedro

Uli

[Urte]

Pedro, just read your feedback and I am a bit surprised what you write. Uli is a very honest and direct person and as breeder very critical. She never hides any information about health problems. And as far as I know, she takes the PRA subject very seriously.
So maybe you discuss your personal problems with her privately?!

[Kim]

First of all i don't want to became the black sheep.
I think it's ok to say that your bitch had these problems. But i don't think it's ok to attack somebody personal.
Please do this by email of phone because Ulrike is still the breeder from your dogs and for her it's also good to here when there are problems with one of her offsprings.
It is for both parties a nightmare when something is wrong with the dogs.
I hope you can understand what i meen.
When i read the hole story i'm just thinking about our 2nd English Setter. She became also blind with the age of 9 years. We had to make a choice to let her go over te rainbow bridge. It was a hard dissision to make when they are stil young. We never heard about PRA before in the setter world. When we know this we could test her and tell the breeder what was wrong.

Kim

[Anna & Saturnii Cartoon's]

Dear Pedro!!
Our Gordon Setter Room is a not right place to make any war,personal fights, ect!!
We do NOT ACCEPT behavior like this!!
We are all in love in the same breed ,and we are here to findout a solutions to make this wonderful breed more healthy!!!
Don't destroy warm atmosphere on this site!!

Anna Przywecka
GS Net Room administrator

[Ulrike Agne-Draudsin]

Pedro,

I have never seen anything like this. And it is definetely something different than the fat lumps Gordons have from time to time.
What does your vet say about it?

Uli

[Ulrike Agne-Draudsin]

P.S.: Why do you leave her like that ? Why don't you get these Tumors removed?

[Ulrike Agne-Draudsin]

You don't want to spend any money on her. That's why you leave her like that?

[Michele Ivaldi]

Hi there,
I am new to this group or room or forum as you like to call this place, but I am not new to dogs, I am not new to Gordon Setters and I was convinced that this was a place for dog lovers and for Gordon Setters lovers, but it is evident that this is not the case. My personal opinion about the dog in these pictures is that he has not been loved by his owner who has not looked after him very much, this dog had to be operated and have had its lumps or tumors removed long ago. It is evident that the dog in these pictures is not well, he is suffering, apart from the lumps on the head that give him this terrible look, there is a big mass on the abdomen that seems dangerous. If the dog was mine I would have had him operated long ago and per sure I would not show his pictures in this room. It is evident that the owner of this dog is not looking after him very well and is using this pictures to prove something that for me is difficult to understand. I think that the owner of this dog should not be considered as a dog lover and should leave this place. Maybe I am wrong and for a mistake I have opened the wrong window on my browser, so I am asking the moderator if I am right or if I am wrong.
It is difficult to understand that a dog owner is asking for health information to an internet group when he has just declared that he has brought his dogs to a vet hospital. This behaviour is not acceptable for me. Are we discussing about blind dogs or about blind owners? Let me know.
Sincerely,
Michele Ivaldi

[Carol Gill]

Hello
if the dog is undergoing treatment then we are not here to castigate the person involved with the dog, where it is very upsetting to see dogs with lumps and bumps some do lead a very happy life with them and some are inoperatable.. so without haveing a Vet's report in front of us, lets be calm here and not jump on any bandwagon!!!!
best wish's Carol G

[Michele Ivaldi]

Hi Carol,
I disagree with you. And my vet disagrees with you too. Fat lumps can't be treated, they have to be constantly drained or removed before they grow too big. The risk is that they can open and cause infections. If they grow too much it is very difficult to remove them because there is no good skin enough for the stitches. Lumps or benignus tumors, if small and slow growing can be left on the body, but not in regions with hard bones underneath like head, legs or tail, because they can open more easily. A dog with those big lumps on the eyes can't "lead a very happy life", because he can't even open the eye, can you imagine the close eye under the lumps? A dog with these lumps, if left with another dog could have the lumps licked or chewed, so the dog should not be left alone with another dog.
Michele